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		<title>By: Water is a right, not a privilege &#171; Populate and perish</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-63580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Water is a right, not a privilege &#171; Populate and perish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] commented about this on a 2007 libertarian blog entry, “Government’s water shortage”, (can’t directly link to the comment, but mine is #218). A few of the libertarian types sought [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] commented about this on a 2007 libertarian blog entry, “Government’s water shortage”, (can’t directly link to the comment, but mine is #218). A few of the libertarian types sought [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-46829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have a look at the Ok Tedi mine example in the other thread. Note the parties involved and those concerned and think through what might have happened if there was tradeable permits or property rights attached to the riprarian land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at the Ok Tedi mine example in the other thread. Note the parties involved and those concerned and think through what might have happened if there was tradeable permits or property rights attached to the riprarian land.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D.</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-46827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just out of curiosity, does anyone think privatising the River Murray is a worthwhile idea? The main problem I see with it is that since the owner would sell to the highest bidders, there is a risk that the &#039;environment&#039; will miss out.  That is, all the water may be sold before it gets to the river mouth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, does anyone think privatising the River Murray is a worthwhile idea? The main problem I see with it is that since the owner would sell to the highest bidders, there is a risk that the &#8216;environment&#8217; will miss out.  That is, all the water may be sold before it gets to the river mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Supertank</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-45813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supertank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to the water tanks debate and takes being inefficient...I damn may be cheaper but as Justin points out in the original post, most of the dams are inland when all the rain and people are on the coast. By making people have tanks you not only make them responsible for their water usage, you are putting the collection systems where it rains.

On a side note i love it how the government spends millions telling us when and how we can use water, but then will water their parks and verges in the middle of the day in a howling breeze. No wonder we are in this mess!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the water tanks debate and takes being inefficient&#8230;I damn may be cheaper but as Justin points out in the original post, most of the dams are inland when all the rain and people are on the coast. By making people have tanks you not only make them responsible for their water usage, you are putting the collection systems where it rains.</p>
<p>On a side note i love it how the government spends millions telling us when and how we can use water, but then will water their parks and verges in the middle of the day in a howling breeze. No wonder we are in this mess!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Kitching</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-39799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Kitching]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Water Available For Australians.

Political talk about water rationing is all the go. We are even having save the Water Week. Water Minister Malcolm Turnbull has not once mentioned the word dam. But he talks a lot about spending $10 billion on water rationing of the Murray Darling, which is about the only river system in Australia he seems to know about. 

There would be something between 35 and 50 times as much water  as is in the whole of the Murray Darling system running into various oceans  north of the tropic of Capricorn.

Not a single word from any politician about that. And nobody talks about plans to harness and use it either. But in recent times entrepreneurs have been denied the right to do so.

Consider the magnitude of the available water in northern Australia&#039;s river systems, against that of the Murray Darling Basin:

*    The Murray Darling Basin (MDB): 22,700 gigalitres.

*    Queensland&#039;s north-east coast: 91,500 gigalitres - 4 times that of the MDB.

*    Gulf of Carpentaria: 130,500 gigalitres - 5.7 times the MDB.

*    The Timor Sea rivers: 81,200 gigalitres - 3.5 times the MDB.

*        MORE GREAT WATER PROJECTS 
1. Fitzroy River in WA.: The Fitzroy&#039;s catchment area is larger than the state of Victoria; in full flood  the Fitzroy&#039;s volume of water is second only to the Amazon. It has an annual run-off of 8 to 11 million megalitres; by comparison, the Sydney metropolitan area has around 4 million people and uses one-half million mega litres a year. 

2. Ord, Victoria, Daly Rivers: The Ord-Victoria Project could be one of the greatest irrigation projects in the world, right on the doorstep of Asia&#039;s huge and growing  population centres. Water expert Prof. Lance Endersbee recommends that the Ord and Victoria be developed in combination, on a vast scale; the Daly River has huge potential as well. 

3.  The Roper River has significant development potential. 

And there are many more including the Fitzroy here in Queensland. It pours an enormous volume into the ocean almost every year.

327  words.  Sent 19.10.07   [I sent this to that useless pest Malcolm Turnbull and he did not even acknowledge receipt of it.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water Available For Australians.</p>
<p>Political talk about water rationing is all the go. We are even having save the Water Week. Water Minister Malcolm Turnbull has not once mentioned the word dam. But he talks a lot about spending $10 billion on water rationing of the Murray Darling, which is about the only river system in Australia he seems to know about. </p>
<p>There would be something between 35 and 50 times as much water  as is in the whole of the Murray Darling system running into various oceans  north of the tropic of Capricorn.</p>
<p>Not a single word from any politician about that. And nobody talks about plans to harness and use it either. But in recent times entrepreneurs have been denied the right to do so.</p>
<p>Consider the magnitude of the available water in northern Australia&#8217;s river systems, against that of the Murray Darling Basin:</p>
<p>*    The Murray Darling Basin (MDB): 22,700 gigalitres.</p>
<p>*    Queensland&#8217;s north-east coast: 91,500 gigalitres &#8211; 4 times that of the MDB.</p>
<p>*    Gulf of Carpentaria: 130,500 gigalitres &#8211; 5.7 times the MDB.</p>
<p>*    The Timor Sea rivers: 81,200 gigalitres &#8211; 3.5 times the MDB.</p>
<p>*        MORE GREAT WATER PROJECTS<br />
1. Fitzroy River in WA.: The Fitzroy&#8217;s catchment area is larger than the state of Victoria; in full flood  the Fitzroy&#8217;s volume of water is second only to the Amazon. It has an annual run-off of 8 to 11 million megalitres; by comparison, the Sydney metropolitan area has around 4 million people and uses one-half million mega litres a year. </p>
<p>2. Ord, Victoria, Daly Rivers: The Ord-Victoria Project could be one of the greatest irrigation projects in the world, right on the doorstep of Asia&#8217;s huge and growing  population centres. Water expert Prof. Lance Endersbee recommends that the Ord and Victoria be developed in combination, on a vast scale; the Daly River has huge potential as well. </p>
<p>3.  The Roper River has significant development potential. </p>
<p>And there are many more including the Fitzroy here in Queensland. It pours an enormous volume into the ocean almost every year.</p>
<p>327  words.  Sent 19.10.07   [I sent this to that useless pest Malcolm Turnbull and he did not even acknowledge receipt of it.]</p>
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		<title>By: xx rose xx</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-10240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xx rose xx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 05:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey, umm i dont really get this website coz im only on it 4 some assignment but i reckon the governments desicions are always stupid and worthless.Water should be used and taken care of responsibly and if they cant handle it thats there problem. i love zac efron so much and 4 lyf xoxox mwa mwa

Luv alwayz...rose xo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, umm i dont really get this website coz im only on it 4 some assignment but i reckon the governments desicions are always stupid and worthless.Water should be used and taken care of responsibly and if they cant handle it thats there problem. i love zac efron so much and 4 lyf xoxox mwa mwa</p>
<p>Luv alwayz&#8230;rose xo</p>
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		<title>By: graemebird</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-6137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[graemebird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;m saying above brings into question whether the public dams ever really needed to be built in the first place. Whether they were ever economic. Since the water would have been privately stored if drawing from the rivers had been priced according to the method above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m saying above brings into question whether the public dams ever really needed to be built in the first place. Whether they were ever economic. Since the water would have been privately stored if drawing from the rivers had been priced according to the method above.</p>
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		<title>By: graemebird</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-6135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[graemebird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Water tanks are pretty inefficient anyway&quot;

They are not inefficient for storing water if the water is pumped from a river when the river is above average level.

What we want is to charge for water coming from rivers on the basis of how high the river is. So that when its above average all the pumps start running. And people everywhere are filling up their tanks. 

Dam owners are water wholesalers. Whereas the river itself is like the primary product that needs to be priced according to its level in the first place.

The price of water (from the various rivers) ought to be going up and down all the time in accordance to the various river levels and this will likely be reflected even at the retail level.

So potentially even people in the suburbs, seeing that the water price has suddenly dropped, could be rushing to turn the water on to fill their tanks, in the same way that people in the past have run to get the clothes off the line when it rains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Water tanks are pretty inefficient anyway&#8221;</p>
<p>They are not inefficient for storing water if the water is pumped from a river when the river is above average level.</p>
<p>What we want is to charge for water coming from rivers on the basis of how high the river is. So that when its above average all the pumps start running. And people everywhere are filling up their tanks. </p>
<p>Dam owners are water wholesalers. Whereas the river itself is like the primary product that needs to be priced according to its level in the first place.</p>
<p>The price of water (from the various rivers) ought to be going up and down all the time in accordance to the various river levels and this will likely be reflected even at the retail level.</p>
<p>So potentially even people in the suburbs, seeing that the water price has suddenly dropped, could be rushing to turn the water on to fill their tanks, in the same way that people in the past have run to get the clothes off the line when it rains.</p>
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		<title>By: Fleeced</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-5748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fleeced]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having less resttrictions on water from tanks makes it worth some extra money, yes (which says a lot, considering it&#039;s of non-drinking quality), but the figures still don&#039;t quite add up - even with the government rebate.

Plus, these advantages are artificial (since the water restrictions are artificial), and there&#039;s no guarantees there won&#039;t be restrictions/penalties/whatever applied to tanks in the future.  That&#039;s the problem when you have a system of arbitrary government intervention.

The cost of water needs to go up - even if this was offset with price reduction in some other government service so as to remain (mostly) cost-neutral, it would be a positive step... they could then eliminate restrictions, and with water charged at a rate higher than what it costs to produce more, you&#039;d have companies falling over themselves trying to find solutions/new water sources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having less resttrictions on water from tanks makes it worth some extra money, yes (which says a lot, considering it&#8217;s of non-drinking quality), but the figures still don&#8217;t quite add up &#8211; even with the government rebate.</p>
<p>Plus, these advantages are artificial (since the water restrictions are artificial), and there&#8217;s no guarantees there won&#8217;t be restrictions/penalties/whatever applied to tanks in the future.  That&#8217;s the problem when you have a system of arbitrary government intervention.</p>
<p>The cost of water needs to go up &#8211; even if this was offset with price reduction in some other government service so as to remain (mostly) cost-neutral, it would be a positive step&#8230; they could then eliminate restrictions, and with water charged at a rate higher than what it costs to produce more, you&#8217;d have companies falling over themselves trying to find solutions/new water sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/02/26/governments-water-shortage/#comment-5745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Water tanks are pretty inefficient anyway - you get greater economies of scale from a new dam. The big advantage of water tanks for consumers, is that they have control of the water - they can wash their car, water their lawn 7 days, whatever… &quot;

So they are good. Compare eating at a restaurant to eating at home, or buying food solely from large supermarkets compared to food vendors at sporting games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Water tanks are pretty inefficient anyway &#8211; you get greater economies of scale from a new dam. The big advantage of water tanks for consumers, is that they have control of the water &#8211; they can wash their car, water their lawn 7 days, whatever… &#8221;</p>
<p>So they are good. Compare eating at a restaurant to eating at home, or buying food solely from large supermarkets compared to food vendors at sporting games.</p>
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