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	<title>Comments on: International Women&#8217;s Day</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Sutcliffe</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Sutcliffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Men and women generally are attracted to different types of work, and the types of work that men are attracted to are generally better paid.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;And women are overrepresented in low paying professions like teaching and nursing.&lt;/i&gt;

Women follow their hearts, whereas men sell out for the cash. Probably with good intentions like being able to maintain a family or children.

I would of liked to have been a mathematician. But I realised that this doesn&#039;t pay and it&#039;s hard to get work so I became an engineer, which was the next best thing for the technically minded. As my needs grew I could see being a technical engineer being a limiting factor, so I began to concentrate on the contractual side. Now I&#039;m even looking at selling right out and moving into the business and legal side. Yet I still hold a great affection for being a mathematician but I&#039;ll never do it as I&#039;ve got a family to support and I&#039;ve developed expensive tastes!

A woman is much more likely to enjoy working in the arts, or with children or whatever, which doesn&#039;t pay like being a corporate lawyer. Then when faced with this she is less likely to be willing to sell out and start suing people for all they&#039;re worth as she&#039;d still rather work in her area of interest and passion, even though the money is lower. Of course some women do become corporate lawyers and earn the big bucks, but I think it&#039;s a fair generalisation or the lefties wouldn&#039;t be whinging so loud.

Different lifestyle choices for different people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Men and women generally are attracted to different types of work, and the types of work that men are attracted to are generally better paid.</i></p>
<p><i>And women are overrepresented in low paying professions like teaching and nursing.</i></p>
<p>Women follow their hearts, whereas men sell out for the cash. Probably with good intentions like being able to maintain a family or children.</p>
<p>I would of liked to have been a mathematician. But I realised that this doesn&#8217;t pay and it&#8217;s hard to get work so I became an engineer, which was the next best thing for the technically minded. As my needs grew I could see being a technical engineer being a limiting factor, so I began to concentrate on the contractual side. Now I&#8217;m even looking at selling right out and moving into the business and legal side. Yet I still hold a great affection for being a mathematician but I&#8217;ll never do it as I&#8217;ve got a family to support and I&#8217;ve developed expensive tastes!</p>
<p>A woman is much more likely to enjoy working in the arts, or with children or whatever, which doesn&#8217;t pay like being a corporate lawyer. Then when faced with this she is less likely to be willing to sell out and start suing people for all they&#8217;re worth as she&#8217;d still rather work in her area of interest and passion, even though the money is lower. Of course some women do become corporate lawyers and earn the big bucks, but I think it&#8217;s a fair generalisation or the lefties wouldn&#8217;t be whinging so loud.</p>
<p>Different lifestyle choices for different people.</p>
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		<title>By: yobbo</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5249</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;There are two possible reasons for the persistence of this difference. One is that men and women are not equal in the value or liability they represent to the employer. The other is irrational prejudice against women, that is, a value against women not based on their economic worth.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually this leaves out the most obvious reason: Men and women generally are attracted to different types of work, and the types of work that men are attracted to are generally better paid.

Especially at the moment, the best paid jobs are in mining in construction, along with the historically well-paid careers in business.

Plenty more women are becoming doctors and lawyers nowadays, but still very few are becoming corporate vice presidents, investment bankers and CEOs.

And women are overrepresented in low paying professions like teaching and nursing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There are two possible reasons for the persistence of this difference. One is that men and women are not equal in the value or liability they represent to the employer. The other is irrational prejudice against women, that is, a value against women not based on their economic worth.</em></p>
<p>Actually this leaves out the most obvious reason: Men and women generally are attracted to different types of work, and the types of work that men are attracted to are generally better paid.</p>
<p>Especially at the moment, the best paid jobs are in mining in construction, along with the historically well-paid careers in business.</p>
<p>Plenty more women are becoming doctors and lawyers nowadays, but still very few are becoming corporate vice presidents, investment bankers and CEOs.</p>
<p>And women are overrepresented in low paying professions like teaching and nursing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Australian women in full-time jobs earn $100 a week less than men, a union analysis of recent figures reveals. The Australian Council of Trade Unions analysis, based on recent Australian Bureau of Statistics figures, shows full-time female workers earn on average 10 per cent less than men. Released ahead of International Women’s Day today, the figures also show real wages of female workers have fallen 2 percent in the past year.&quot;

This requires fuerther ripping:

More prostitutes are female, and have a high incentive to and easy course of action to under-report actual income.

Despite the discrimination from the ADF, women simply don&#039;t choose to do the same work as men - e.g the mining sector. Women are not less valuable than men, but the labour that men speicalise in right now is more beneficial per worker to society right now. 

Never forget this is full time work only. Most middle aged men are full time employed and fewer women are. This is the bulge in the demographic, and also these men have seniority and more qualifications than younger men and women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Australian women in full-time jobs earn $100 a week less than men, a union analysis of recent figures reveals. The Australian Council of Trade Unions analysis, based on recent Australian Bureau of Statistics figures, shows full-time female workers earn on average 10 per cent less than men. Released ahead of International Women’s Day today, the figures also show real wages of female workers have fallen 2 percent in the past year.&#8221;</p>
<p>This requires fuerther ripping:</p>
<p>More prostitutes are female, and have a high incentive to and easy course of action to under-report actual income.</p>
<p>Despite the discrimination from the ADF, women simply don&#8217;t choose to do the same work as men &#8211; e.g the mining sector. Women are not less valuable than men, but the labour that men speicalise in right now is more beneficial per worker to society right now. </p>
<p>Never forget this is full time work only. Most middle aged men are full time employed and fewer women are. This is the bulge in the demographic, and also these men have seniority and more qualifications than younger men and women.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personal problems of individuals are a reason to pay a group they belong to more or less, mandated by law?

Why and how does this work?

Has wage equality policy worked?

Will it ever work?

At what cost to meritocracy and general welfare?

People get paid, as do all other resources, according to their marginal productivity. Set the wage above this or make non wage costs too high and they are unemployed. Wage equality and EEO makes employing more men too costly and it is an implicit subidy to women. 

Women will get paid less as long as they have children and the demographics are that senior managment are predominantly male. Wait two generations and the only difference will be from child bearing. Wages are not telling the whole story though: individuals act as households with respect to disposable income. Men who are partnered or married fathers tend to compensate as women stay at home more to make up for forgone income. 

Wage equality is really bad policy made upon poorly read data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal problems of individuals are a reason to pay a group they belong to more or less, mandated by law?</p>
<p>Why and how does this work?</p>
<p>Has wage equality policy worked?</p>
<p>Will it ever work?</p>
<p>At what cost to meritocracy and general welfare?</p>
<p>People get paid, as do all other resources, according to their marginal productivity. Set the wage above this or make non wage costs too high and they are unemployed. Wage equality and EEO makes employing more men too costly and it is an implicit subidy to women. </p>
<p>Women will get paid less as long as they have children and the demographics are that senior managment are predominantly male. Wait two generations and the only difference will be from child bearing. Wages are not telling the whole story though: individuals act as households with respect to disposable income. Men who are partnered or married fathers tend to compensate as women stay at home more to make up for forgone income. </p>
<p>Wage equality is really bad policy made upon poorly read data.</p>
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		<title>By: Trinifar</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trinifar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conrad and Terje, you are saying there is good cause for employers to pay men less.  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad and Terje, you are saying there is good cause for employers to pay men less.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Political roundup &#171; The Blog of Fleeced</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Political roundup &#171; The Blog of Fleeced]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at ALS blog, Justin Jefferson has this post on International Women&#8217;s Day (IWD), which also retouches on the concept of &#8220;sexual [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at ALS blog, Justin Jefferson has this post on International Women&#8217;s Day (IWD), which also retouches on the concept of &#8220;sexual [...]</p>
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		<title>By: terje (say tay-a)</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terje (say tay-a)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conrad,

You missed workplace death and injury. Child custody. Suicide. 

Regards,
Terje.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad,</p>
<p>You missed workplace death and injury. Child custody. Suicide. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Terje.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5235</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually Trinifar, the idea that only women have problems and that every day is blokes day is a basically false cultural stereotype in countries like Australia  -- there are innumerate problems that are more strongly associated with men than women, with men far over-represented at the bottom of the social ladder. Try looking up the statistics for mental health, criminal activity, substance abuse, homelessness, average age of death etc. Not that I care much for either, but a men&#039;s day focusing on some of these under the carpet issues seems equally as valid as a women&#039;s day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Trinifar, the idea that only women have problems and that every day is blokes day is a basically false cultural stereotype in countries like Australia  &#8212; there are innumerate problems that are more strongly associated with men than women, with men far over-represented at the bottom of the social ladder. Try looking up the statistics for mental health, criminal activity, substance abuse, homelessness, average age of death etc. Not that I care much for either, but a men&#8217;s day focusing on some of these under the carpet issues seems equally as valid as a women&#8217;s day.</p>
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		<title>By: Trinifar</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trinifar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Justin, I updated my post to reflect the new (and startling) information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, I updated my post to reflect the new (and startling) information.</p>
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		<title>By: Trinifar</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/09/international-womens-day/#comment-5233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trinifar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nicholas gray:  &lt;em&gt;Your message got mangled, Trin.&lt;/em&gt;

Nicholas, it didn&#039;t.  That&#039;s how wordpress.com blogs show that another blog post references this one.  If you click the blue &quot;international women’s day « Trinifar&quot; link you&#039;ll see the post on my blog.  

&lt;em&gt;Please tell us why you are not a libertarian, so we can tear your argument to pieces.&lt;/em&gt;

Thanks for that very pleasant invitation.  If you are actually interested, I&#039;ve written two posts on my blog that discuss libertarianism and shed some light on my personal views.

&lt;em&gt;AND when are we going to have an International Bloke’s Day? Men also contribute to ’society’, I’ll have you know.&lt;/em&gt;

Just like your mother may have told you if you asked when there would be a children&#039;s day, every day is bloke&#039;s day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nicholas gray:  <em>Your message got mangled, Trin.</em></p>
<p>Nicholas, it didn&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s how wordpress.com blogs show that another blog post references this one.  If you click the blue &#8220;international women’s day « Trinifar&#8221; link you&#8217;ll see the post on my blog.  </p>
<p><em>Please tell us why you are not a libertarian, so we can tear your argument to pieces.</em></p>
<p>Thanks for that very pleasant invitation.  If you are actually interested, I&#8217;ve written two posts on my blog that discuss libertarianism and shed some light on my personal views.</p>
<p><em>AND when are we going to have an International Bloke’s Day? Men also contribute to ’society’, I’ll have you know.</em></p>
<p>Just like your mother may have told you if you asked when there would be a children&#8217;s day, every day is bloke&#8217;s day.</p>
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