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	<title>Comments on: Aboriginal Health</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-29743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the office of a federal politician : 


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Apologies for the delayed reply. If you are still looking for an answer on this one - when the legislation is proclaimed Katherine will be able to invite anyone to come to her house without a permit, just like any other place in Australia.
 
So, when the legislation is proclaimed Katherine’s husband will not require a permit to live with her in her house in Kintore, at her invitation.
 
When the main permit system changes become law (on a date to be proclaimed but no later than 18 February 2008) there will be public access to common areas of community land and related access roads / airstrips / barge landings.  It is important to emphasise that the changes are not yet law.
 
Community land is generally communities of over 100 people and includes Kintore.
 
The public will be able to enter or remain on premises on community land with the permission of the occupier.  This will apply, for example, when people have been invited into residences by the occupiers, or when there is indication that shops or art centres are open for sales.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the office of a federal politician : </p>
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<p>Apologies for the delayed reply. If you are still looking for an answer on this one &#8211; when the legislation is proclaimed Katherine will be able to invite anyone to come to her house without a permit, just like any other place in Australia.</p>
<p>So, when the legislation is proclaimed Katherine’s husband will not require a permit to live with her in her house in Kintore, at her invitation.</p>
<p>When the main permit system changes become law (on a date to be proclaimed but no later than 18 February 2008) there will be public access to common areas of community land and related access roads / airstrips / barge landings.  It is important to emphasise that the changes are not yet law.</p>
<p>Community land is generally communities of over 100 people and includes Kintore.</p>
<p>The public will be able to enter or remain on premises on community land with the permission of the occupier.  This will apply, for example, when people have been invited into residences by the occupiers, or when there is indication that shops or art centres are open for sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Dead Soul</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-7147</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a problem that we can do much about Mark. That&#039;s the real tradegy, if we could find a way to help, and let&#039;s be honest here many people have tried and failed, then we would have succeeded by now. If I as a caucasian do things that threaten my health then I am held accountable, if aborigines have poor health then the government is accountable. Go figure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a problem that we can do much about Mark. That&#8217;s the real tradegy, if we could find a way to help, and let&#8217;s be honest here many people have tried and failed, then we would have succeeded by now. If I as a caucasian do things that threaten my health then I am held accountable, if aborigines have poor health then the government is accountable. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-7109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There there is no such thing as &quot;Aboriginal health&quot; then is there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There there is no such thing as &#8220;Aboriginal health&#8221; then is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Dead Soul</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dead Soul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with aboriginal health is that too many aborigines don&#039;t care about their health. The government can spend all the money it likes but until aborigines realise that personal health is about personal choices it is so much wasted money. The situation of aboriginal health is tragic but that is the fault of individual aborigines. What we need is some differentials here: study aborigines who don&#039;t use drugs, who do pay attention to hygiene, and who do look after their health. Simply grouping all the data together gives a very misleading impression because with such high rates of alcoholism and drug abuse there is too much skew in the results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with aboriginal health is that too many aborigines don&#8217;t care about their health. The government can spend all the money it likes but until aborigines realise that personal health is about personal choices it is so much wasted money. The situation of aboriginal health is tragic but that is the fault of individual aborigines. What we need is some differentials here: study aborigines who don&#8217;t use drugs, who do pay attention to hygiene, and who do look after their health. Simply grouping all the data together gives a very misleading impression because with such high rates of alcoholism and drug abuse there is too much skew in the results.</p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nicholas gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, my &#039;Buy-back&#039; plan is an attempt to do away with a separatist welfare system- if Government offers anything, it should never be race-based. And we should encourage all individuals to support themselves. And I also think that before Nonabs sign any &#039;treaty&#039; with Abs, the Abs should first make peace between the tribes, and apologise for the wars and wife-raiding and general disharmony that was their lot before the Nonabs came along. Let them say &#039;Sorry&#039;, to each other, first!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, my &#8216;Buy-back&#8217; plan is an attempt to do away with a separatist welfare system- if Government offers anything, it should never be race-based. And we should encourage all individuals to support themselves. And I also think that before Nonabs sign any &#8216;treaty&#8217; with Abs, the Abs should first make peace between the tribes, and apologise for the wars and wife-raiding and general disharmony that was their lot before the Nonabs came along. Let them say &#8216;Sorry&#8217;, to each other, first!</p>
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		<title>By: justinjefferson</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6400</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a thing on the news last night about Aboriginal health. Oxfam is running a program called &#039;Close the Gap&#039;.  Various grand high poo-bahs of government were solemnly showing how humane and concerned they are, by calling for a greater concentration of political power and uniformity of action (what else?) to fix the problem. 

A welfare tragic literally called on the government to &#039;do something!&#039;. That should do it. 

In the paper another welfare tragic pointed out how baby products cost more in remote communities. (Well, yeah. If you choose to live in the middle of the Great Gibber Desert it does tend to affect the costs of supplying goods that are made in Sydney or China. Duh.)

Not one of them questioned the assumption that achieving parity of health outcomes was something that government could or should do. Oxfam certainly wasn&#039;t proposing to close the gap using funds that were obtained voluntarily. 

The way they were going on, you&#039;d think this is all something new. 

But if this is something that government can and should do, then what happened to all the billions upon billions of dollars that have been spent on precisely this purpose over the last 30 years? When can we expect the apology for having mis-spent all that money? 

Of course, the pious weeping pope-holimost poo-bahs and pretenders of all those past thirty years are sipping their cappuccinos at Noosa. They&#039;ve got their benefit out of their pious pretence. It only remains for the current crowd to get their snouts as deep into the trough as our credulity will let them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a thing on the news last night about Aboriginal health. Oxfam is running a program called &#8216;Close the Gap&#8217;.  Various grand high poo-bahs of government were solemnly showing how humane and concerned they are, by calling for a greater concentration of political power and uniformity of action (what else?) to fix the problem. </p>
<p>A welfare tragic literally called on the government to &#8216;do something!&#8217;. That should do it. </p>
<p>In the paper another welfare tragic pointed out how baby products cost more in remote communities. (Well, yeah. If you choose to live in the middle of the Great Gibber Desert it does tend to affect the costs of supplying goods that are made in Sydney or China. Duh.)</p>
<p>Not one of them questioned the assumption that achieving parity of health outcomes was something that government could or should do. Oxfam certainly wasn&#8217;t proposing to close the gap using funds that were obtained voluntarily. </p>
<p>The way they were going on, you&#8217;d think this is all something new. </p>
<p>But if this is something that government can and should do, then what happened to all the billions upon billions of dollars that have been spent on precisely this purpose over the last 30 years? When can we expect the apology for having mis-spent all that money? </p>
<p>Of course, the pious weeping pope-holimost poo-bahs and pretenders of all those past thirty years are sipping their cappuccinos at Noosa. They&#8217;ve got their benefit out of their pious pretence. It only remains for the current crowd to get their snouts as deep into the trough as our credulity will let them.</p>
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		<title>By: justinjefferson</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justinjefferson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take it the idea of the buy-back scheme is to arrive at a final settlement of all outstanding claims in cash? I&#039;m for it. I think it&#039;s the only way to go, and the only alternative is endless race-based welfare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it the idea of the buy-back scheme is to arrive at a final settlement of all outstanding claims in cash? I&#8217;m for it. I think it&#8217;s the only way to go, and the only alternative is endless race-based welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nicholas gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under Corporations laws, collective entities can act as a single person. We sell to, or compensate, the whole class of peoples in one tribe, and let them sort out the ownership details from there.  They could all be listed as Tenants in Common, a current legal term used here in the Lands Department. It would be like having equal shares in a company. What that group of private people did with the money is no longer our concern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under Corporations laws, collective entities can act as a single person. We sell to, or compensate, the whole class of peoples in one tribe, and let them sort out the ownership details from there.  They could all be listed as Tenants in Common, a current legal term used here in the Lands Department. It would be like having equal shares in a company. What that group of private people did with the money is no longer our concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Justin, 

The spirit of native title is indeed very just. The process on the other hand is awful. Such a process also highlights the unworkability and practical problems with a treaty, even if every tribe or language group is represented, it is still a fractious affair and does not respect individual preferences. 

I have a lot of support for a kind of buy-back scheme. My only caveat is that private persons engage in the purchase and sale of land or other resources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, </p>
<p>The spirit of native title is indeed very just. The process on the other hand is awful. Such a process also highlights the unworkability and practical problems with a treaty, even if every tribe or language group is represented, it is still a fractious affair and does not respect individual preferences. </p>
<p>I have a lot of support for a kind of buy-back scheme. My only caveat is that private persons engage in the purchase and sale of land or other resources.</p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/03/24/aboriginal-health/#comment-6340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nicholas gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone have a better idea than my proposed buy-back scheme? After all, when we revolutionaries take over society, we&#039;ll need to have thrashed all this out before we can instantly implement it to create paradise here on earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have a better idea than my proposed buy-back scheme? After all, when we revolutionaries take over society, we&#8217;ll need to have thrashed all this out before we can instantly implement it to create paradise here on earth.</p>
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