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		<title>By: Classifying Libertarians &#171; Thoughts on Freedom</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-96862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Classifying Libertarians &#171; Thoughts on Freedom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had a few discussions here about classifying Libertarians (for instance here and here), but by far the best classification I&#8217;ve seen so far comes from today&#8217;s The Blanks [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had a few discussions here about classifying Libertarians (for instance here and here), but by far the best classification I&#8217;ve seen so far comes from today&#8217;s The Blanks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DavidLeyonhjelm</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-12893</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidLeyonhjelm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 03:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne Allyn Root&#039;s credo. I love it.  

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people. Instead it has turned against the people. Politicians and government bureaucrats of both parties want to impose their will and take control over every aspect of the lives of the American people. It&#039;s time to turn the tables. I will fight on behalf of the people. I will defend the constitution. I will repeal laws, not create new ones. I will cut government, not grow it. I will find programs to terminate, not create new ones. The only power I will relish is the power of the veto. I love the smell of vetoes in the morning! I vow to veto more bills than any President in history.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne Allyn Root&#8217;s credo. I love it.  </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people. Instead it has turned against the people. Politicians and government bureaucrats of both parties want to impose their will and take control over every aspect of the lives of the American people. It&#8217;s time to turn the tables. I will fight on behalf of the people. I will defend the constitution. I will repeal laws, not create new ones. I will cut government, not grow it. I will find programs to terminate, not create new ones. The only power I will relish is the power of the veto. I love the smell of vetoes in the morning! I vow to veto more bills than any President in history.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Tex</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-12890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two American examples of radical libertarianism are Billy Beck (www.two--four.net/weblog.php) and Rich Nikoley (www.uncsense.com).

Always a good read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two American examples of radical libertarianism are Billy Beck (www.two&#8211;four.net/weblog.php) and Rich Nikoley (www.uncsense.com).</p>
<p>Always a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Fryar</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-12564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Fryar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 10:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of our discussion above, was related to selling the product. There is a guy who can and I think will do that, and I think we can all gain something from him. Wayne Allyn Root, Libertarian candidate for president.

Check out http://jimunro.blogspot.com/2007/05/wayne-allyn-root.html  to see why, and use the link, or go direct to Root for America at;
http://www.rootforamerica.com/

This is not a sly attempt to get votes, (well 1 or 2 would ease my angst). Not really I vote for someone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of our discussion above, was related to selling the product. There is a guy who can and I think will do that, and I think we can all gain something from him. Wayne Allyn Root, Libertarian candidate for president.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://jimunro.blogspot.com/2007/05/wayne-allyn-root.html" rel="nofollow">http://jimunro.blogspot.com/2007/05/wayne-allyn-root.html</a>  to see why, and use the link, or go direct to Root for America at;<br />
<a href="http://www.rootforamerica.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rootforamerica.com/</a></p>
<p>This is not a sly attempt to get votes, (well 1 or 2 would ease my angst). Not really I vote for someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: mtlibertyproject</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-11669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mtlibertyproject]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 01:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good recommend terje.  Another interesting one worth reading:

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-fall/decline-fall-american-conservatism.asp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good recommend terje.  Another interesting one worth reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-fall/decline-fall-american-conservatism.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-fall/decline-fall-american-conservatism.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: terje (say tay-a)</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-11505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terje (say tay-a)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 10:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can be quite pure in your libertarian philosophy (be it utiliatarian or natural rights) and still be pragmatic in your politics. There are lots of things I believe in very strongly which I see little value in pushing politically. 

For an alternate discussion of political labels I thought the following was interesting, although it seems to come at things from a starting point quite different to my own and at times I judged aspects of it to be quite flawed:-

http://beyondrightandleft.com.au/archives/2005/09/beyond_right_an.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can be quite pure in your libertarian philosophy (be it utiliatarian or natural rights) and still be pragmatic in your politics. There are lots of things I believe in very strongly which I see little value in pushing politically. </p>
<p>For an alternate discussion of political labels I thought the following was interesting, although it seems to come at things from a starting point quite different to my own and at times I judged aspects of it to be quite flawed:-</p>
<p><a href="http://beyondrightandleft.com.au/archives/2005/09/beyond_right_an.html" rel="nofollow">http://beyondrightandleft.com.au/archives/2005/09/beyond_right_an.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidLeyonhjelm</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-11494</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidLeyonhjelm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 06:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The problem with the neo/paleo tag is that ... they have come to be associated quite closely with just the few American groups that use those words regularly.&lt;/i&gt;

The same is likely to happen with the radical and right-wing labels, which are based on differences over selected issues. If neo and paleo don&#039;t signify a difference between saying and doing, perhaps we require terms that do. Or, as the neos put, between pragmatists and purists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem with the neo/paleo tag is that &#8230; they have come to be associated quite closely with just the few American groups that use those words regularly.</i></p>
<p>The same is likely to happen with the radical and right-wing labels, which are based on differences over selected issues. If neo and paleo don&#8217;t signify a difference between saying and doing, perhaps we require terms that do. Or, as the neos put, between pragmatists and purists.</p>
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		<title>By: John Humphreys</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-11474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Humphreys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The terms &quot;paleo&quot; and &quot;neo&quot; have been around for a long time and they most certainly do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; mean the difference between saying something and doing something. That is clearly a definition written by a neo-libertarian. I&#039;m sure a definition written by a paleo-libertarian would be equally insulting to the neo side of the debate.

A &quot;neo&quot; libertarian is pretty much exactly what I described as a &quot;right-wing&quot; libertarian (and pro-war) while a &quot;paleo&quot; is pretty much exactly what I described as a &quot;radical&quot; (and anti-war). Both groups are involved in politics, though (as per my original distinction) some &quot;radicals/paleos&quot; are opposed to the idea of voting. Believing something like:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t vote... it just encourages them&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The problem with the neo/paleo tag is that while those groupings were originally intended to be broad (like &quot;right-wing&quot; and &quot;radical&quot;) they have come to be associated quite closely with just the few American groups that use those words regularly. Also, some people define &quot;neo&quot; as also meaning &quot;moderate&quot;, which I think adds to confusion vis-a-vis my three way taxonomy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terms &#8220;paleo&#8221; and &#8220;neo&#8221; have been around for a long time and they most certainly do <i>not</i> mean the difference between saying something and doing something. That is clearly a definition written by a neo-libertarian. I&#8217;m sure a definition written by a paleo-libertarian would be equally insulting to the neo side of the debate.</p>
<p>A &#8220;neo&#8221; libertarian is pretty much exactly what I described as a &#8220;right-wing&#8221; libertarian (and pro-war) while a &#8220;paleo&#8221; is pretty much exactly what I described as a &#8220;radical&#8221; (and anti-war). Both groups are involved in politics, though (as per my original distinction) some &#8220;radicals/paleos&#8221; are opposed to the idea of voting. Believing something like:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Don&#8217;t vote&#8230; it just encourages them&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The problem with the neo/paleo tag is that while those groupings were originally intended to be broad (like &#8220;right-wing&#8221; and &#8220;radical&#8221;) they have come to be associated quite closely with just the few American groups that use those words regularly. Also, some people define &#8220;neo&#8221; as also meaning &#8220;moderate&#8221;, which I think adds to confusion vis-a-vis my three way taxonomy.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidLeyonhjelm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavidLeyonhjelm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 02:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;paleo-libertarians deal in words and thoughts, while neo-libertarians commit themselves to expanding freedom from the rhetorical world to the real world. It’s the difference between saying something for freedom and doing something for freedom.&lt;/i&gt;

I came across that distinction myself during this debate and found it useful. I think it explains why some people are happy with economic freedom but draw the line at more practical examples such as gun ownership or gay marriage. Economic freedom is much easier to theorise. 

However, it does not explain why some people are neolibertarians to the extent that they get involved in political parties and elections, but paleolibertarians on foreign interventions like Iraq. Can the same person be both a neo and a paleo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>paleo-libertarians deal in words and thoughts, while neo-libertarians commit themselves to expanding freedom from the rhetorical world to the real world. It’s the difference between saying something for freedom and doing something for freedom.</i></p>
<p>I came across that distinction myself during this debate and found it useful. I think it explains why some people are happy with economic freedom but draw the line at more practical examples such as gun ownership or gay marriage. Economic freedom is much easier to theorise. </p>
<p>However, it does not explain why some people are neolibertarians to the extent that they get involved in political parties and elections, but paleolibertarians on foreign interventions like Iraq. Can the same person be both a neo and a paleo?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sutcliffe</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2007/05/05/libertarian-sub-groups/#comment-11434</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Sutcliffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those who identify as Right-Libertarianism might get something out of these sites. There are some gems in the blogs that I haven&#039;t heard about before, although I suspect some of you will be familiar with them:

http://www.neolibertarian.net/

http://www.neolibertarian.net/blogs/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who identify as Right-Libertarianism might get something out of these sites. There are some gems in the blogs that I haven&#8217;t heard about before, although I suspect some of you will be familiar with them:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.neolibertarian.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.neolibertarian.net/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.neolibertarian.net/blogs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.neolibertarian.net/blogs/</a></p>
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