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By: vocational education

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By: nicholas gray

nicholas gray — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:21:38 +0000

The idea that you will burn forever in Hell is not a demonstrably false idea- how can you prove it wrong? An all-powerful God would have the power to do this, though we could hope that an all-powerful being is also all-wise, and would choose better methods. Interestingly, Judahism never subscribed to the idea that law-breakers would burn forever- their rabbies believed in temporary punishments of un-known duration before we all ended up in God’s feasthall (My source is “Everyman’s Talmud”). Forever is also not used in the Greek of the New Testament- the word used is aionion, meaning ages and ages, but not meaning never-ending.
Re, ‘Science’. The Nazies took over the classroom, and insisted that people be taught Darwinian evolution, with German genes being Top, and they called that ‘Science’. How could you stop Statolatry if the state controls the minds of the kids?

By: Justin

Justin — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:45:49 +0000

LS
Please give us your estimate of the numbers killed by governments since public schooling began.

I agree with you that teaching religion is abusive; but clearly if it is, then teaching socialism,or interventionism, or anything but the philosophy of liberty is also and should be banned for the same reason.

By: Ben

Ben — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:39:01 +0000

LS,

I said something that was demonstrably false. Can you demonstrate that the above is false?

By: LibertarianSocialist

LibertarianSocialist — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:46:09 +0000

Ben – the idea that you will burn in hell forever if you don’t worship a particular god would be a good start.

By: Ben

Ben — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:49:48 +0000

LS can you demonstrate an example of where presenting a dangerous and demonstrably false idea as a fact could be considered abuse?

By: nicholas gray

nicholas gray — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:03:38 +0000

Libsoc, that’s why I think the Internet will liberate minds! There’s clearly more than one opinion out there! Perhaps just providing Internet access is all it would take! That’s an idea for a novel- net-peddlers giving away computers in the hope of reaching young minds, and parents or governments trying to stop them!!! Not that far from reality, really….

By: LibertarianSocialist

LibertarianSocialist — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:20:10 +0000

Well then I think you grossly underestimate the damage that is caused by mental abuse. OTOH, most physical force parents use against their children is reasonable enough and not only not damaging, but necessary for the safety of the children. Determining when they are stepping over the line requires skill and expertise, and access to the latest available research.

I’m not talking about banning ideas – it’s the combination of presenting a dangerous and demonstrably false idea as fact (abuse), and failing to provide the necessarily skills needed to determine that the ideas are false (neglect). I think it is a serious hole in our public education curricula that little room is made for teaching critical thinking and logical debating fallacies, for example.

By: Tim R

Tim R — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:00:18 +0000

Yes, but there’s a difference between initiating force and self defense / retaliation force.

If the parents initiate physical force on their kids then the only option is to use force to stop them.
The parents have demonstrated they can’t be trusted in this case.

There is a large difference between home schooling and genuine “mental abuse”.
And the realm of ideas/concepts/religion/education is totally removed from physical force and should not be under state control.

It’s the same with censorship and freedom of speech. An idea may be dangerous or even totally wrong, doesn’t mean you should ban someone from saying it.

By: LibertarianSocialist

LibertarianSocialist — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:16:03 +0000

How else can you provide information to children, if their parents deny it to them?

Again…do you agree that governments should use force if parents are physically abusing or neglecting their children?

If so, why not when mentally abusing or neglecting their children?