Comments on: Saving Socialism from the Socialists http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/ Australian Libertarian Society Blog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:45:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: wayne http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-58141 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:28:53 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-58141 producerism is a social system without institutionized force, ie government. Producers provide all the goods and services that man requires. Looters and moochers are not needed.

]]> By: Mark Hill http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-50807 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:28:09 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-50807 The arguments aren’t aimed at communists. So we’re not worried.

Okishio showed that the communist critique of free enterprise is bunk.

There is no “basic logic” that communism makes people better off. It is a non sequitur that defies history and the mathematical impossibilities of Marx’s ideas, but also the work of Mises and Hayek on prices and information.

]]> By: William Richardson http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-50797 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:58:57 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-50797 http://willrich354.blogspot.com/2008/05/my-political-and-philosophical-view.html

“I don’t agree with the idea that socialism, or community control of property, is routinely good for society as a whole. However if clarifying socialism in this way allows Tanner and the ALP to conclude that we need lower taxes, lower tariffs, less corporate welfare and deregulation of markets and prices then I hope they spend quite a bit of time clarifying socialism to the mass of socialists out there.”

Making any of those arguments to a real socialist (i.e. not a reformist social democrat) would fail because your aiming to extend the reach of capitalism. Too why wouldn’t the community controlling production be good for society? If theres a democratic structure as in socialism then the majority in other words “society as a whole” will be better off. Basic logic man.

]]> By: TerjeP (say tay-a) http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46274 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:27:34 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46274 I don’t think the Nationals have a future.

]]> By: Robbie http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46269 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:58:34 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46269 Tanner’s war on Mercantilism, by the name Producerism, has two targets. One is coincidental and possibly unintentional: the elements within the Nationals who make persistent calls for a special case in agriculture protectionism.

The other is deliberately intentional: the elements in the ALP who want general industry protectionism and specific labour protectionism. In the case of the latter, because the two components are so closely intertwined with the raison d’etre of the ALP, he will not be successful in reforming the ALP.

In the case of the former, I hope the Nationals in reviewing their future abandon this part of their economic policy.

]]> By: TerjeP (say tay-a) http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46264 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:51:20 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46264 DavidL – I don’t disagree. Your comment essentially paraphrases my article. I do however find it amusing that some are so keen to retain the socialist brand even whilst endeavoring to abandoning the product. It would be fantastic to witness the day when the difference between Socialism and Libertarianism has become like comparing Coke with Pepsi so long as it is due to Socialism changing and not due to Libertarianism faltering.

]]> By: DavidLeyonhjelm http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46242 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:23:30 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46242 Tanner’s article should be interpreted within the context of the ALP and its traditional sympathy for socialism. What he is attempting to do is eliminate socialist policies without abandoning the symbolism of socialism. Carr represents the old guard.

I hope he manages to turn producerism into a big nasty that the ALP is determined to eliminate. Who cares if they think socialism is still sacred.

]]> By: pommygranate http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46231 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:42:22 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46231 yes.

“financial support to industry and firms has gone up by 15% in real terms over five years to June 2007. That is significant.”

says the productivity Commission.

it is indeed.

]]> By: TerjeP (say tay-a) http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46218 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:22:21 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46218 I presume your comment about Kim Carr is in reference to this news article:-

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23481620-2702,00.html

]]> By: nicholas gray http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/04/04/saving-socialism-from-the-socialists/#comment-46200 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:34:23 +0000 http://alsblog.wordpress.com/?p=575#comment-46200 The first line of the Wikipedia article could apply to any country in the world! We’re all Socialists!!! HELP!

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