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		<title>By: hotpete and sis netty</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-99514</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[reading all above i don&#039;t see the problms about nudes - are&#039;nt we al born without any clothing and is&#039;nt human body the crown on creation ? we should be proud about our bodies and for me the nude body is best of all - esp those of kids till some 17 ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reading all above i don&#8217;t see the problms about nudes &#8211; are&#8217;nt we al born without any clothing and is&#8217;nt human body the crown on creation ? we should be proud about our bodies and for me the nude body is best of all &#8211; esp those of kids till some 17 &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The law is so linked to the Bibel</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-70831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The law is so linked to the Bibel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onlookers at Jellie Park Newzealand got an unexpected strip show from a Catholic school&#039;s new-entrants class. 
(Strip?)

A mother who was at the Christchurch City Council-run aquatic centre in Burnside on Tuesday complained to Jellie Park staff, and the St Bernadette&#039;s Primary School class was told to use the changing-rooms in future.

The mother, who did not want to be named, said she was appalled by the school&#039;s actions.

&quot;I&#039;m not a prude or anything but I just think it is an odd thing to make kids do,&quot; she said.

&quot;If the parents of those kids knew they were being paraded nude in front of the public at a swimming pool, they would be horrified.

&quot;I just can&#039;t understand why they wouldn&#039;t use changing-rooms. That&#039;s what they&#039;re there for.

&quot;If they haven&#039;t got enough teachers to supervise them getting changed, have they got enough to supervise them in the pool?&quot;

St Bernadette&#039;s principal, Maureen Moore, said the school would co-operate with the request from Jellie Park.

&quot;I went over today and spoke to them,&quot; she said yesterday. &quot;They told us we can&#039;t do it and that&#039;s the end of it.&quot;

She said the class of 15 five-year-olds had only one teacher, so they changed beside the pool after swimming so she could keep an eye on them.

&quot;We don&#039;t see it as a big deal. It was purely for safety reasons, Moore said. &quot;I understand someone wasn&#039;t happy, so we will stop it.

&quot;I think it&#039;s been blown out of proportion. Put it this way: it wasn&#039;t children running around naked.&quot;

The class will have its last learn-to-swim class today at Jellie Park.

City council western area recreation manager Simon Battrick said it was not normal practice for people to get changed alongside the pool, and the school had been told this.

&quot;Our lifeguards were watching the water, so didn&#039;t see what was happening,&quot; he said.

&quot;But we&#039;ve now had a chat with the school and made sure they have better systems in place.&quot;

Battrick said it was not something that happened regularly at council pools.This is Copyed From Stuff news paper From David rs Greer comments Rember We must not Feel good About or bodys .some one might have dirty thorts.Lets wrap every thing in cotton wool and run along God might be watching we must live in totol anxiety !
You can olny go nude in the natonal greographic book If you a Black (Fact)..Please comment oh god how we live in fear..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onlookers at Jellie Park Newzealand got an unexpected strip show from a Catholic school&#8217;s new-entrants class.<br />
(Strip?)</p>
<p>A mother who was at the Christchurch City Council-run aquatic centre in Burnside on Tuesday complained to Jellie Park staff, and the St Bernadette&#8217;s Primary School class was told to use the changing-rooms in future.</p>
<p>The mother, who did not want to be named, said she was appalled by the school&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not a prude or anything but I just think it is an odd thing to make kids do,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the parents of those kids knew they were being paraded nude in front of the public at a swimming pool, they would be horrified.</p>
<p>&#8220;I just can&#8217;t understand why they wouldn&#8217;t use changing-rooms. That&#8217;s what they&#8217;re there for.</p>
<p>&#8220;If they haven&#8217;t got enough teachers to supervise them getting changed, have they got enough to supervise them in the pool?&#8221;</p>
<p>St Bernadette&#8217;s principal, Maureen Moore, said the school would co-operate with the request from Jellie Park.</p>
<p>&#8220;I went over today and spoke to them,&#8221; she said yesterday. &#8220;They told us we can&#8217;t do it and that&#8217;s the end of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>She said the class of 15 five-year-olds had only one teacher, so they changed beside the pool after swimming so she could keep an eye on them.</p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t see it as a big deal. It was purely for safety reasons, Moore said. &#8220;I understand someone wasn&#8217;t happy, so we will stop it.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s been blown out of proportion. Put it this way: it wasn&#8217;t children running around naked.&#8221;</p>
<p>The class will have its last learn-to-swim class today at Jellie Park.</p>
<p>City council western area recreation manager Simon Battrick said it was not normal practice for people to get changed alongside the pool, and the school had been told this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our lifeguards were watching the water, so didn&#8217;t see what was happening,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;But we&#8217;ve now had a chat with the school and made sure they have better systems in place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Battrick said it was not something that happened regularly at council pools.This is Copyed From Stuff news paper From David rs Greer comments Rember We must not Feel good About or bodys .some one might have dirty thorts.Lets wrap every thing in cotton wool and run along God might be watching we must live in totol anxiety !<br />
You can olny go nude in the natonal greographic book If you a Black (Fact)..Please comment oh god how we live in fear..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-56590</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, is it art or child porn? The answer to the question is both, depending on your point of view. Michaelangello&#039;s David, which is a nake man, is thought to be a work of art (sorry for the mispell). Yet as soon as we cross the 16 year old age barrier its raged as child pornographic. The pictures in fact show a sign of vunrability and also a sense of free will. Is this what adults are afraid of, showwing children as they are. It is only pornographic to those who use the images as such. Im sure the child was perfectly aware of the photos been taken, and fact that she would have agreed, and so must the parents, shows that she was well aware of what they are, she might be 13 but shes not a completetly mindless, or have a voice of her own and say no. Those who dont like them, dont look at them, dont impose your &#039;ideals&#039; on other people and stifle there work or insperation. &#039;Nuff said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is it art or child porn? The answer to the question is both, depending on your point of view. Michaelangello&#8217;s David, which is a nake man, is thought to be a work of art (sorry for the mispell). Yet as soon as we cross the 16 year old age barrier its raged as child pornographic. The pictures in fact show a sign of vunrability and also a sense of free will. Is this what adults are afraid of, showwing children as they are. It is only pornographic to those who use the images as such. Im sure the child was perfectly aware of the photos been taken, and fact that she would have agreed, and so must the parents, shows that she was well aware of what they are, she might be 13 but shes not a completetly mindless, or have a voice of her own and say no. Those who dont like them, dont look at them, dont impose your &#8216;ideals&#8217; on other people and stifle there work or insperation. &#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nicholas gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pommy, at what age can a young person be considered old enough to make decisions for themselves? I ask, because people say the models were too young to know the full consequences of their actions. Therefore, should all young people be forbidden from any job? At what age are they responsible? Are they responsible if they choose to act in, for example, movies? And what is pornography? If child actors go swimming in a movie, is that an enticement to pedophilia?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pommy, at what age can a young person be considered old enough to make decisions for themselves? I ask, because people say the models were too young to know the full consequences of their actions. Therefore, should all young people be forbidden from any job? At what age are they responsible? Are they responsible if they choose to act in, for example, movies? And what is pornography? If child actors go swimming in a movie, is that an enticement to pedophilia?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Dinse</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Dinse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A telephone can be used to plan a bank robbery.  Clearly bank robberies are illegal and generally would be considered bad for society.  So we should ban all telephones because they might be used to plan a bank robbery?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A telephone can be used to plan a bank robbery.  Clearly bank robberies are illegal and generally would be considered bad for society.  So we should ban all telephones because they might be used to plan a bank robbery?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidLeyonhjelm</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48291</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the front page of today&#039;s Australian it says Bill Henson is not to be prosecuted.  I expected that, although I was even more confident he would be acquitted if charged. 

Which raises the question as to how much compensation Henson and the Gallery are entitled to receive, given that police seized most of his exhibits and forced it to close. 

I suggest it should be quite a lot. That might keep the police out of art galleries for a while, at least until the next moral panic strikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the front page of today&#8217;s Australian it says Bill Henson is not to be prosecuted.  I expected that, although I was even more confident he would be acquitted if charged. </p>
<p>Which raises the question as to how much compensation Henson and the Gallery are entitled to receive, given that police seized most of his exhibits and forced it to close. </p>
<p>I suggest it should be quite a lot. That might keep the police out of art galleries for a while, at least until the next moral panic strikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Sutcliffe</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick Sutcliffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sort of shit was fine before the &#039;Baise Moi&#039; fiasco. Art house societies would have screenings of this stuff which would be attended by the soy latte clique and it was predominantly ignored by the authorities even though it hadn&#039;t been classified by the board of &#039;I know better than you what you should view&#039; and pretty much most of the mainstream didn&#039;t know or care.

I&#039;m perfectly fine with that and happy to have child porn laws which get applied to the guy caught with these photos mixed with a few from his daughters pre-school, and leave the art house clique, who have the same photos mixed in with their study of 20th century nudes, alone.

Although I&#039;d say freedom of expression has got to be in the top three things we should hold most dear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of shit was fine before the &#8216;Baise Moi&#8217; fiasco. Art house societies would have screenings of this stuff which would be attended by the soy latte clique and it was predominantly ignored by the authorities even though it hadn&#8217;t been classified by the board of &#8216;I know better than you what you should view&#8217; and pretty much most of the mainstream didn&#8217;t know or care.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perfectly fine with that and happy to have child porn laws which get applied to the guy caught with these photos mixed with a few from his daughters pre-school, and leave the art house clique, who have the same photos mixed in with their study of 20th century nudes, alone.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;d say freedom of expression has got to be in the top three things we should hold most dear.</p>
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		<title>By: pommygranate</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pommygranate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nicholas

huh?   child actors are not allowed to do nude scenes for the same reasons that child models shouldnt be allowed to pose nude for photos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nicholas</p>
<p>huh?   child actors are not allowed to do nude scenes for the same reasons that child models shouldnt be allowed to pose nude for photos.</p>
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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lindsay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is ridiculous and people are dumbfucks. Children are not a blanket group of &quot;unsound, naive babies&quot; they are far from stupid they just haven&#039;t been around as long as older people have, that&#039;s it. 

A 7 year old might not be mature enough to decide certain things for himself/herself that have any bearing on major things going on in his or her life, but good god, the child is a person! He or she has thoughts and feelings! There are some genius 10 year olds out there, with college degrees nonetheless and some retarded (in more way than one) 30 year olds who still live in their mom&#039;s basement and can&#039;t hold a job. 

Children are NOT innocent a people need to realize this, many 11, 12, 13 year olds have WILLINGLY had sex before, girls included in fact some of them are the perpetrators! This does not make them immature automatically because of their age! 

In fact, before we determine anyone to be immature or incapable of doing anything for themselves we should have a talk with each and every one of them we deem to be &quot;minors&quot; and then we&#039;ll see who is immature. 

Also, when someone under 18 (ex: 17 and 8 months or 14 years old) takes naked pictures of themselves and post them on the internet (note: they took them on their own free will, thus no exploitation has occurred) everyone cares, OMG CP!!!! and it becomes a crime (will they be prosecuted? I&#039;ve heard of one girl who was) But as soon as they turn 18 and take naked pictures of themselves no one cares.

Who&#039;s the one being immature here? 

All I&#039;m saying is we can&#039;t blanket everyone under the &quot;age of consent&quot; to be stupid and incompetent it is not true nor right to do this to someone. It&#039;s wrong and I&#039;m sick of it. Yeah kids do stupid things but fundamentally they&#039;re NOT stupid, everyone just thinks they are.

Oh and abstinence-only-programs are a waste of time and money, you cannot deny nature, you can&#039;t make it go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous and people are dumbfucks. Children are not a blanket group of &#8220;unsound, naive babies&#8221; they are far from stupid they just haven&#8217;t been around as long as older people have, that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>A 7 year old might not be mature enough to decide certain things for himself/herself that have any bearing on major things going on in his or her life, but good god, the child is a person! He or she has thoughts and feelings! There are some genius 10 year olds out there, with college degrees nonetheless and some retarded (in more way than one) 30 year olds who still live in their mom&#8217;s basement and can&#8217;t hold a job. </p>
<p>Children are NOT innocent a people need to realize this, many 11, 12, 13 year olds have WILLINGLY had sex before, girls included in fact some of them are the perpetrators! This does not make them immature automatically because of their age! </p>
<p>In fact, before we determine anyone to be immature or incapable of doing anything for themselves we should have a talk with each and every one of them we deem to be &#8220;minors&#8221; and then we&#8217;ll see who is immature. </p>
<p>Also, when someone under 18 (ex: 17 and 8 months or 14 years old) takes naked pictures of themselves and post them on the internet (note: they took them on their own free will, thus no exploitation has occurred) everyone cares, OMG CP!!!! and it becomes a crime (will they be prosecuted? I&#8217;ve heard of one girl who was) But as soon as they turn 18 and take naked pictures of themselves no one cares.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s the one being immature here? </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is we can&#8217;t blanket everyone under the &#8220;age of consent&#8221; to be stupid and incompetent it is not true nor right to do this to someone. It&#8217;s wrong and I&#8217;m sick of it. Yeah kids do stupid things but fundamentally they&#8217;re NOT stupid, everyone just thinks they are.</p>
<p>Oh and abstinence-only-programs are a waste of time and money, you cannot deny nature, you can&#8217;t make it go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Carlin</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/05/26/art-or-child-prn/#comment-48272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory Carlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RESS RELEASE

NO EMBARGO

05 June 2008

CLASSIFICATION BOARD CLEARS FOR PUBLICATION UNCENSORED NUDE PHOTOGRAPH OF 13 YEAR OLD CHILD

BEGIN///

The Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalitions is dismayed that the Australian authorities have cleared for publication an uncensored nude photograph of a 13 year old girl. This closely follows the Classification Board&#039;s green light for photographers to take pictures of naked under-age models after backing down on an investigation into a fashion magazine. Australia is closely emulating Japan in its failure to regulate indecent images of children.

The decision by the Classification Board is in violation of Australia&#039;s obligations under the UNCRC, CEDAW and ICCPR. This is the first occasion anywhere in the world that a nude photograph of a female child who was subject to a police investigation relating to a sexually motivated crime has been cleared for publication. This decision is also a fundamental breach of Australia&#039;s reponsibilities as partner nation of the Virtual Global Taskforce.

/// END

Gregory Carlin

Director

Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition
4 Downfine Walk
Belfast
Northern Ireland
UK

(UK) 44 (0) 2890 963164

Note:

U18 topless photographs are classified as child pornography in the United Kingdom.

The IATC was a consulting partner with the UK govt. in relation to the SOA 2003]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RESS RELEASE</p>
<p>NO EMBARGO</p>
<p>05 June 2008</p>
<p>CLASSIFICATION BOARD CLEARS FOR PUBLICATION UNCENSORED NUDE PHOTOGRAPH OF 13 YEAR OLD CHILD</p>
<p>BEGIN///</p>
<p>The Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalitions is dismayed that the Australian authorities have cleared for publication an uncensored nude photograph of a 13 year old girl. This closely follows the Classification Board&#8217;s green light for photographers to take pictures of naked under-age models after backing down on an investigation into a fashion magazine. Australia is closely emulating Japan in its failure to regulate indecent images of children.</p>
<p>The decision by the Classification Board is in violation of Australia&#8217;s obligations under the UNCRC, CEDAW and ICCPR. This is the first occasion anywhere in the world that a nude photograph of a female child who was subject to a police investigation relating to a sexually motivated crime has been cleared for publication. This decision is also a fundamental breach of Australia&#8217;s reponsibilities as partner nation of the Virtual Global Taskforce.</p>
<p>/// END</p>
<p>Gregory Carlin</p>
<p>Director</p>
<p>Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition<br />
4 Downfine Walk<br />
Belfast<br />
Northern Ireland<br />
UK</p>
<p>(UK) 44 (0) 2890 963164</p>
<p>Note:</p>
<p>U18 topless photographs are classified as child pornography in the United Kingdom.</p>
<p>The IATC was a consulting partner with the UK govt. in relation to the SOA 2003</p>
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