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	<title>Comments on: Paid Maternity Leave a Right?</title>
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		<title>By: Enigmatic</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-51825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Enigmatic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if a move like this would see an increase in the number of women having their tubes tied.

Some businesses might even consider adding that to their employment packages- &quot;Will pay 75k p.a. and tie your tubes for you&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if a move like this would see an increase in the number of women having their tubes tied.</p>
<p>Some businesses might even consider adding that to their employment packages- &#8220;Will pay 75k p.a. and tie your tubes for you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: name</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-51814</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good day!,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day!,</p>
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		<title>By: name</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-51813</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi!,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!,</p>
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		<title>By: name</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-51806</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello!,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!,</p>
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		<title>By: Maternity Fashions</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-50921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maternity Fashions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cant speak for single parents, but i think the working tax credit in the uk is working reasonably well for our family.

I think its a human right to be able to bring up your own children in the home until at least primary school age.

I dont see why businesses should cough up the cash either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant speak for single parents, but i think the working tax credit in the uk is working reasonably well for our family.</p>
<p>I think its a human right to be able to bring up your own children in the home until at least primary school age.</p>
<p>I dont see why businesses should cough up the cash either.</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-50141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Fleeced is ticked at a pro-parental-leave activist - who just happens to be the Sex Discrimination Commissioner - trying to carve out parental leave as a human right. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fleeced is ticked at a pro-parental-leave activist &#8211; who just happens to be the Sex Discrimination Commissioner &#8211; trying to carve out parental leave as a human right. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-48391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s already a &#039;right&#039;, you have the &#039;natural right&#039; to choose to save up some of your earnings before you have a baby.

Socialists want to introduce a new &#039;right&#039; to someone elses &#039;savings&#039; to subsidise the gap between the $4,000 baby bonus and a new widescreen home theatre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s already a &#8216;right&#8217;, you have the &#8216;natural right&#8217; to choose to save up some of your earnings before you have a baby.</p>
<p>Socialists want to introduce a new &#8216;right&#8217; to someone elses &#8216;savings&#8217; to subsidise the gap between the $4,000 baby bonus and a new widescreen home theatre.</p>
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		<title>By: Riley O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-48341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Riley O'Neill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets take it a step further.

You either have the right to initiate violent force against people or you do not.  


If a female employee gets pregnant and insists that her employer pay her maternity leave (lets assume that there was no sort of prior voluntary agreement to pay maternity leave).  The employer refuses.  The woman then uses the force of government to take money from the employer.  The employer refuses again.  Now some men with guns go to take the money from the employer.  Should the employer refuse now and there will be some violence going on.  

Cut out the middle man in our scenario and now lets have the women holding the gun demanding that the employer pays her maternity leave.  There is really no difference, if the employer remains defiant they will end up with a bullet between the eyes.  

The different scenario. You have the right for others to not initiate force against you and therefore you do not have the right to initiate force against others.  Employers and women can voluntarily come up with employement conditions, pay, and benefits.  These benefits can be tailored to fit both the employee and the employer best.  If maternity leave is a priority for this woman then she can try to get that as part of her contract.  Should she not want to have children, or be unable to have children, she can prioritize for something else.  The market can provide such a thing.  


On a more important side note.  The real damage from this is not Australians paying extra taxes to fund such a scheme.  The real damage is that this now gives a disincentive for foreign investors to NOT invest in Australia.  The real harm is that such a law would cause people to invest their money else where and end up preventing a lot of very real money from being invested in the Australian market.  It also creates the incentive for Australian business to start hiring abroad.   The very real danger is that such a law makes Australia a poorer place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets take it a step further.</p>
<p>You either have the right to initiate violent force against people or you do not.  </p>
<p>If a female employee gets pregnant and insists that her employer pay her maternity leave (lets assume that there was no sort of prior voluntary agreement to pay maternity leave).  The employer refuses.  The woman then uses the force of government to take money from the employer.  The employer refuses again.  Now some men with guns go to take the money from the employer.  Should the employer refuse now and there will be some violence going on.  </p>
<p>Cut out the middle man in our scenario and now lets have the women holding the gun demanding that the employer pays her maternity leave.  There is really no difference, if the employer remains defiant they will end up with a bullet between the eyes.  </p>
<p>The different scenario. You have the right for others to not initiate force against you and therefore you do not have the right to initiate force against others.  Employers and women can voluntarily come up with employement conditions, pay, and benefits.  These benefits can be tailored to fit both the employee and the employer best.  If maternity leave is a priority for this woman then she can try to get that as part of her contract.  Should she not want to have children, or be unable to have children, she can prioritize for something else.  The market can provide such a thing.  </p>
<p>On a more important side note.  The real damage from this is not Australians paying extra taxes to fund such a scheme.  The real damage is that this now gives a disincentive for foreign investors to NOT invest in Australia.  The real harm is that such a law would cause people to invest their money else where and end up preventing a lot of very real money from being invested in the Australian market.  It also creates the incentive for Australian business to start hiring abroad.   The very real danger is that such a law makes Australia a poorer place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jono</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-48300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[13. Papachango..

Yep thats me. Its great fun stirring up the folks in the asylum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13. Papachango..</p>
<p>Yep thats me. Its great fun stirring up the folks in the asylum.</p>
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		<title>By: nicholas gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/05/paid-maternity-leave-a-right/#comment-48292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nicholas gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still, we&#039;re not as bad as Canada! In The Australian, the Legal Affairs section, a writer talks about Canada&#039;s Human Rights Tribunals. Mark Steyn, an author, is being taken to court for quoting Islamic Authorities. The charge is that they incite hatred. Everyone agrees the quotes are accurate.
Truth is no defence.
The grievance seems to be that someone might be inspired to hate Muslims, even though they haven&#039;t proven that anyone has.
I don&#039;t think we&#039;re at that stage yet, but are we going down this path?
The Legal Affairs writer also notes that no defendant has ever won any case brought before these Tribunals.
I don&#039;t think I would ever want to go to Canada now! Screw the scenery!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, we&#8217;re not as bad as Canada! In The Australian, the Legal Affairs section, a writer talks about Canada&#8217;s Human Rights Tribunals. Mark Steyn, an author, is being taken to court for quoting Islamic Authorities. The charge is that they incite hatred. Everyone agrees the quotes are accurate.<br />
Truth is no defence.<br />
The grievance seems to be that someone might be inspired to hate Muslims, even though they haven&#8217;t proven that anyone has.<br />
I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re at that stage yet, but are we going down this path?<br />
The Legal Affairs writer also notes that no defendant has ever won any case brought before these Tribunals.<br />
I don&#8217;t think I would ever want to go to Canada now! Screw the scenery!</p>
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