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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-50144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] mitigating greenhouse gas emissions. Speaking of environmentalism, Tim R suspects there is some ideological component to environmentalism. Ashleigh has a wide-ranging rant over tokenism in the cause of &#8220;fighting&#8221; global [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mitigating greenhouse gas emissions. Speaking of environmentalism, Tim R suspects there is some ideological component to environmentalism. Ashleigh has a wide-ranging rant over tokenism in the cause of &#8220;fighting&#8221; global [...]</p>
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		<title>By: papachango</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48631</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Unless we &lt;b&gt;adjust our lifestyles and diets&lt;/b&gt; and aim to reduce the world’s population through natural methods, we may not all survive climate change...&lt;/i&gt;

&#039;adjust our lifestyles&#039;? why not maintain our lifestyles and use technology to solve any environmental problems?

Whenever I hear this talk about &#039;adjusting our lifestyles&#039; my &#039;Watermelon radar&#039; immediately activates.

While overpopulation in some parts of the world is an issue, exactly what &#039;natural methods&#039; do you propose to alleviate this problem? Sounds ominous.

It tends to be the poorest developing countries that breed the most (compare births per woman figures for the top and bottom 10 countries in terms of GDP per capita). Why not let the poor countries become wealthier and watch their populations plateau and possibly even reduce?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Unless we <b>adjust our lifestyles and diets</b> and aim to reduce the world’s population through natural methods, we may not all survive climate change&#8230;</i></p>
<p>&#8216;adjust our lifestyles&#8217;? why not maintain our lifestyles and use technology to solve any environmental problems?</p>
<p>Whenever I hear this talk about &#8216;adjusting our lifestyles&#8217; my &#8216;Watermelon radar&#8217; immediately activates.</p>
<p>While overpopulation in some parts of the world is an issue, exactly what &#8216;natural methods&#8217; do you propose to alleviate this problem? Sounds ominous.</p>
<p>It tends to be the poorest developing countries that breed the most (compare births per woman figures for the top and bottom 10 countries in terms of GDP per capita). Why not let the poor countries become wealthier and watch their populations plateau and possibly even reduce?</p>
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		<title>By: Drive-Thru Virtue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No more an economist than a climate scientist</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48629</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drive-Thru Virtue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No more an economist than a climate scientist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] But if we&#8217;re going to talk about things that care little for people and limit human freedoms&#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But if we&#8217;re going to talk about things that care little for people and limit human freedoms&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d have to look up stats for Australia, but the USA actually gains 159,000 hectares of forest a year.  

Even the highly populated USA, has over 90% of the land undeveloped.  

In England, large old growth Oak forests exist due to the foresight of hundred year old industries.  

You have put things in perspective.  

And it&#039;s no coincidence that countries with the most controlling, oppressive governments and worst economies are the ones that have de-forestation problems.  
But environmentalist legislation will damage human productivity and economies, devastating 3rd world countries in particular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to look up stats for Australia, but the USA actually gains 159,000 hectares of forest a year.  </p>
<p>Even the highly populated USA, has over 90% of the land undeveloped.  </p>
<p>In England, large old growth Oak forests exist due to the foresight of hundred year old industries.  </p>
<p>You have put things in perspective.  </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s no coincidence that countries with the most controlling, oppressive governments and worst economies are the ones that have de-forestation problems.<br />
But environmentalist legislation will damage human productivity and economies, devastating 3rd world countries in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48624</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[National Review article along same lines as this post.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTUzNWUzYTA4ZTkwMTVhZmM3M2NkZDc5NDhmOTRkMzA=

Written by Dr. Roy W. Spencer principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He is author of the new book, Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians, and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Review article along same lines as this post.</p>
<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTUzNWUzYTA4ZTkwMTVhZmM3M2NkZDc5NDhmOTRkMzA" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTUzNWUzYTA4ZTkwMTVhZmM3M2NkZDc5NDhmOTRkMzA</a>=</p>
<p>Written by Dr. Roy W. Spencer principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He is author of the new book, Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians, and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Quilty</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Quilty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know all the NSW south coast &quot;old growth&quot; forest that the greens were sucessfully lobbying to lock up a few years ago had all been logged at least once and lots of it twice since white colonisation. So I guess that would have qualified as that sustainable logging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know all the NSW south coast &#8220;old growth&#8221; forest that the greens were sucessfully lobbying to lock up a few years ago had all been logged at least once and lots of it twice since white colonisation. So I guess that would have qualified as that sustainable logging.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Quokka</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Black Quokka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[polychrome - umm, that&#039;s the definition of sustainable logging, good job. We go back and log replanted areas and rotate through rather than log in another old growth area. 

BQ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>polychrome &#8211; umm, that&#8217;s the definition of sustainable logging, good job. We go back and log replanted areas and rotate through rather than log in another old growth area. </p>
<p>BQ</p>
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		<title>By: polychrome</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[polychrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, an Australia based website might be worried about salt.  No I wonder why that might be....hmmmm.....nope, no salinity problems in Australia can&#039;t possibly imagine why salt would be an issue.  

And logging - a sustainable activity.  Well, _potentially_ a sustainable activity.  Though I must have missed the bit about where, after decades of logging the logging companies are going back to the older logged areas because all the replanting they carried out has now grown tall enough to (re) log.  Yep, missed that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, an Australia based website might be worried about salt.  No I wonder why that might be&#8230;.hmmmm&#8230;..nope, no salinity problems in Australia can&#8217;t possibly imagine why salt would be an issue.  </p>
<p>And logging &#8211; a sustainable activity.  Well, _potentially_ a sustainable activity.  Though I must have missed the bit about where, after decades of logging the logging companies are going back to the older logged areas because all the replanting they carried out has now grown tall enough to (re) log.  Yep, missed that.</p>
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		<title>By: polychrome</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[polychrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THIS is a good post? Oh goody, can&#039;t wait to read a bad post.  Hang on, let me dig myself out from under all this straw, might take me a while though.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS is a good post? Oh goody, can&#8217;t wait to read a bad post.  Hang on, let me dig myself out from under all this straw, might take me a while though&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Temujin</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2008/06/14/ideological-dangers-of-environmentalism/#comment-48579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Temujin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post Tim... and welcome to the ALS blogger family. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Tim&#8230; and welcome to the ALS blogger family. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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