You also haven’t even defined what it is that you believe in very well. We don’t have free will? Do you mean that we don’t have the ability to change our lives at all, or we are strongly influenced by external factors when we make our choices? If the latter then how do you know that you aren’t causing more harm by giving people welfare? Or that you are causing harm by giving them too much? Or harm by giving not enough? How do you know you are not causing harm to society as a whole by depriving them of the ability to directly protect those people who are in need especially with what we know about the psychological effects or Welfare dependence.

Do you really think family loyalty is unique to Japan?

I’m not interested in utilitarian arguments on this post, and I’m dissapointed that you’re not up to a philosophical discussion. Your essay on free will was logically very poor. I think it’s actually quite embarassing.

Yet you persist with calling fatfingers dumb. LOL.

The point of the study is that it suggests it’s very hard to compare as there were different tolerances then for different sorts of crime.

interestingly the homicide rate hasn’t dropped.

What was the Australian population in 1890, dopey?

Offence against property rate per 1,000 people

1890 16795
1895 14775
1899 15426
1900 15764
1901 15273
1902 15565
Not exactly the same but close

robbery
1993 12765
1994 13967
1995 14558
1996 16372
1997 23801
1998 23801
1999 22590

There is also (other theft for1993 to 1999)

With an average per year of around 3,000 acts of other theft crime. You need to add these in.

You have to be careful how you look at them as the classification may be different but two breakdowns look reasonably

So there was no welfare in those days and the rate of crime was about the same to slightly lower. The rate of drunkenness crime was very high in the old days perhaps skewering the figures.

However, nude or even topless bathing, or homosexual acts between consenting adults, brought criminal sanctions, while public drunkenness comprised more than half of all offences brought before the Magistrates’ courts in the early years of the twentieth century, and this persisted until the middle of the century.

It was violent in those days perhaps because there were so many drunks.

The homicide rate has remained about the same. So much for welfare stopping crime, hey Mel.

Frogshit. Skeptic Lawyer has made the point time and time again that crimes rates have fallen like a stone for decades.