Comments on: War with Russia next on the agenda

By: Temujin

Temujin — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:39:02 +0000

DavidL — I don’t think Russia should have gone into Georgia.

Regarding the actual situation with Sth Ossetia & Abkazia… I’m both sympathetic to independence movements (I like regions being able to break away from centralised authority) and also to the idea that countries need to be able to keep themselves together without foreign powers formenting trouble.

Russia was wrong to say there was a genocide going on. There was not. Georgia was wrong to say that Russia wanted to take-over all of Georgia. They do not.

I think America’s initial response was appropriate.

By: Mark Hill

Mark Hill — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:14:17 +0000

Russian history taught in Russian schools must truly be off the planet…

# Polish language and culture, and history did not emerge until 1919 (just a bunch of rich guys fighting, were they former Prussian Army Corps officers?). This gave Hitler and Stalin the right to invade Poland, Finland, Belgium etc…

# Asking for protection is the same as asking for a beating.

# Australia (New South Wales) was a prison, but Siberia wasn’t.

# Stalin didn’t invade Sakhalin

# The Russian Army is sent by the Government and is here to help…

By: Tim Quilty

Tim Quilty — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:58:55 +0000

Interestingly I recently had an argument with a Russian friend about Russia invading Poland in 1939. He genuinely had no idea what I was talking about. Eventually we established that it was the campaign to re-occupy western Belarus, taken from Russia a few years earlier. I believe Russian language Wikipedia has quite a different account of events to English Wikipedia.

By: Adrien

Adrien — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:26:32 +0000

The Effing French crashed the planes into the towers! Any other story is just a conspiracy!
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No you are lying. It was termites.

By: Adrien

Adrien — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:25:50 +0000

Oleg – if you’ll have a look on Russia history, it is always defended it’s territory from mongolians, french napoleons, nazis. there is no one example in history when russia started first to occupy some one.
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Um I think you’ll tend to find that Russia is actually an Empire they were at one point expansionist. That they aren’t (much) anymore probably has something to do with the fact that the larger a state’s territory is, the more difficult it is to manage.
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That said Russia isn’t the bad guy and Georgia isn’t the good guy: they’re both bad guys.

By: Alex

Alex — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:20:03 +0000

One more time… Russian history is very long and full of historic events… Nor Stalin nor Putin conqured the teritory that is not Russia.
Poland for example was not a country at all till late.. There more like buch of rich guys fighting all the time. Till one conqured all.. Like any othere country in the world.
You guys were a british prison.. so what?

Georgia is not russia (but it was afor a long time) because they asked russians to protect them from the Otoman Empire.
But S Osetia was never part of Georgia… Never… The terretory was assigned to Georgia Socialist Republic by Stalin and his goons!! And the second Georgia reciaved independance they’we started a war to drive Osetians out of the teritory (because they siply don’t like them).

Russians are just trying to prevent those morrons killing eachother… And considering that North osetia is part of russia.. they have to defend theirs!!!

By: nicholas gray

nicholas gray — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:31:05 +0000

JC and Adrien. It’s obvious! The Effing French crashed the planes into the towers! Any other story is just a conspiracy!
Oleg, why do the Chechens hate the Russians so much? Is it because Russia took over their country? And how come Russia rules Siberia? Was that because people fell in love with the russian language when they heard it, and willingly joined the Russian Empire? Or was it because you invaded the place? And didn’t Stalin grab some rocks to the north of Japan at the very end of world war 2? Which the Japanese still want back?

By: DavidLeyonhjelm

DavidLeyonhjelm — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:19:42 +0000

DavidL — I don’t understand why you accept everything the European politicians & media says. It’s unambiguous that Georgia started a major offensive against Sth Ossetia before Russia entered the conflict.

I don’t accept everything the Europeans say. I was merely trying to encourage Sukrit to look at the issue in different terms from his anti-US prejudice.

I agree Georgia was throwing its weight around in South Ossetia. But South Ossetia is actually part of Georgia, not Russia. If Queenslanders were getting bolshie and the army was sent to shoot a few, that wouldn’t justify New Zealand sending in its army just because some Kiwis were among those that got shot.

I’m not taking a side. Both Georgia & Russia have been fairly stupid about this whole affair.

I agree with that as well. But you consistently argue against foreign military activity by the US (although not as predictably as Sukrit, I admit). Unless there is one rule for the US and one for everyone else, I don’t see how you can possibly justify Russian involvement. Georgia is not Russia.

By: Mark Hill

Mark Hill — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:14:21 +0000

So Russia or the USSR didn’t invade Afghanistan after they failed to keep a puppet on the throne oleg?

Russia/USSR didn’t sign the Molotov Ribbentrop pact and invade Poland in 1939? Or Finland?

Czechoslovakia, 1956, 1968?

Lithuania, circa 1990?

etc…

Knowing facts like this doesn’t make us Russophobes. I’m a Putinophobe. He’s a creepy, vainglorious bastard who needs to be strung up from a lampost ala Caucescau.

I agree with John though. Russia and Georgia are being stupid.

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