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	<title>Comments on: Gittins goes feral about libertarians</title>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76057</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gittens has been wrong for so long it must be some type of record.  I remember him back in the late 90s or early 00s writing about the problems of the interest rate reductions then coming through at last.  Plus, every third column in good times is about how money really isn&#039;t making people happy.  He&#039;s a virtual Hamilton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gittens has been wrong for so long it must be some type of record.  I remember him back in the late 90s or early 00s writing about the problems of the interest rate reductions then coming through at last.  Plus, every third column in good times is about how money really isn&#8217;t making people happy.  He&#8217;s a virtual Hamilton.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wino,

This is instructive. It looks like Obama&#039;s multiplier is zero, or possibly less than zero.

http://michaelscomments.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/september-unemployment-the-job-loss-accelerates/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wino,</p>
<p>This is instructive. It looks like Obama&#8217;s multiplier is zero, or possibly less than zero.</p>
<p><a href="http://michaelscomments.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/september-unemployment-the-job-loss-accelerates/" rel="nofollow">http://michaelscomments.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/september-unemployment-the-job-loss-accelerates/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sinclair Davidson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://ipa.org.au/news/1968/ross-gittins&#039;-efficient-markets-furphy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ipa.org.au/news/1968/ross-gittins&#039;-efficient-markets-furphy" rel="nofollow">http://ipa.org.au/news/1968/ross-gittins&#039;-efficient-markets-furphy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Clark</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jc,

You&#039;re right -- I was just being a dickhead :D 

Still, there is no need for a business to do any hedging themselves. That&#039;s what investment banks are for.

In a more perfect world we would have liquid futures on all assets, fairly priced inflation, liquid and fairly priced options at every strike, private currencies to satisfy every possible liquidity preference, and everybody would get their own pony.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8212; I was just being a dickhead <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Still, there is no need for a business to do any hedging themselves. That&#8217;s what investment banks are for.</p>
<p>In a more perfect world we would have liquid futures on all assets, fairly priced inflation, liquid and fairly priced options at every strike, private currencies to satisfy every possible liquidity preference, and everybody would get their own pony.</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph:

that&#039;s true, but I really don&#039;t expect say the small manufacture to know how to inflation hedge himself and hedging is finite in a sense. 

You can hedge the currency... but how do you exactly hedge domestically produced goods against cheaper imports.

You can take an economic hedge of course, but you also need to be pretty skilled in treasury matters and have lots of cashflow in case the hedge goes wrong. And what happens beyond the hedge period?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph:</p>
<p>that&#8217;s true, but I really don&#8217;t expect say the small manufacture to know how to inflation hedge himself and hedging is finite in a sense. </p>
<p>You can hedge the currency&#8230; but how do you exactly hedge domestically produced goods against cheaper imports.</p>
<p>You can take an economic hedge of course, but you also need to be pretty skilled in treasury matters and have lots of cashflow in case the hedge goes wrong. And what happens beyond the hedge period?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Clark</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jc,
Everybody knows that inflation expectations will adjust after the hike and leave the real rate unchanged and no pressure on marginal businesses to do anything.

But seriously any large business is free to finance in whatever currency they like. And if they&#039;re worried about domestic inflation there&#039;s a market for that too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc,<br />
Everybody knows that inflation expectations will adjust after the hike and leave the real rate unchanged and no pressure on marginal businesses to do anything.</p>
<p>But seriously any large business is free to finance in whatever currency they like. And if they&#8217;re worried about domestic inflation there&#8217;s a market for that too.</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crowding out and how does it happen?

The aussie at 92 cents today (and the TWI) is partially a consequence of all the distortions happening through our capital structure and the net effect will be even further marginal, but efficiently run businesses transferring to offshore sourcing and later the unions hacks supporting ALP referring to the CEO&#039;s of these firms as unconscionably greedy. And around goes the merri-go-round of ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowding out and how does it happen?</p>
<p>The aussie at 92 cents today (and the TWI) is partially a consequence of all the distortions happening through our capital structure and the net effect will be even further marginal, but efficiently run businesses transferring to offshore sourcing and later the unions hacks supporting ALP referring to the CEO&#8217;s of these firms as unconscionably greedy. And around goes the merri-go-round of ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: John Humphreys</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Humphreys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wino -- I didn&#039;t say the multiplier must always be zero. In the short term, it may well be a small positive or small negative (though the average is around zero) and in the long run it&#039;s almost certainly a negative.

Barro has pulled together the empirical evidence... but this is a strange debate from the start because we know using simply logic that fiscal policy generally can&#039;t have much of an impact. We know that partial RE does exist, and we know that foreign-debt-financed stimulus must be crowded out. These aren&#039;t issues of opinion, any more than gravity is an issue of opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wino &#8212; I didn&#8217;t say the multiplier must always be zero. In the short term, it may well be a small positive or small negative (though the average is around zero) and in the long run it&#8217;s almost certainly a negative.</p>
<p>Barro has pulled together the empirical evidence&#8230; but this is a strange debate from the start because we know using simply logic that fiscal policy generally can&#8217;t have much of an impact. We know that partial RE does exist, and we know that foreign-debt-financed stimulus must be crowded out. These aren&#8217;t issues of opinion, any more than gravity is an issue of opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wino - Barro (for the US) found (i.e from historical data, not forecast) that it was statistically insignificant from zero except in the second world war where it was 0.8.

Are you sure you&#039;re not believing what you like to? You&#039;re taking the ex ante results as being more instructive than the ex post results. I think this is a mistake.

Factor in the costs and distortions of deficit financing, and the viability of such policies seem totally pointless, if not deleterious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wino &#8211; Barro (for the US) found (i.e from historical data, not forecast) that it was statistically insignificant from zero except in the second world war where it was 0.8.</p>
<p>Are you sure you&#8217;re not believing what you like to? You&#8217;re taking the ex ante results as being more instructive than the ex post results. I think this is a mistake.</p>
<p>Factor in the costs and distortions of deficit financing, and the viability of such policies seem totally pointless, if not deleterious.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D.</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/10/13/gittins-goes-feral-about-libertarians/#comment-76018</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The IMF has ranked Australia as the fifth highest among the G-20.

See Table 3.4:
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/spn/2009/spn0913.pdf

The OECD list excludes Saudi Arabia, South Africa and China.  These all implemented larger stimulus measures than Australia.

BTW, not only do the IMF and OECD use different lists of countries, they also use different estimation methods.

Nonetheless, they both indicate that Australia had one of the largest stimulus packages, relative to its GDP.

If you run a regression of the IMF data (size of stimulus x GDP) the result yields a tiny r2, i.e. statistically insignicant.  Thus, on those figures, size of stimulus is irrelevant to projected economic growth. I should quickly add, however, that its probably too early to draw strong conclusions, yet I think it reasonable to be sceptical of claims that fiscal stimuli &#039;work.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IMF has ranked Australia as the fifth highest among the G-20.</p>
<p>See Table 3.4:<br />
<a href="http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/spn/2009/spn0913.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/spn/2009/spn0913.pdf</a></p>
<p>The OECD list excludes Saudi Arabia, South Africa and China.  These all implemented larger stimulus measures than Australia.</p>
<p>BTW, not only do the IMF and OECD use different lists of countries, they also use different estimation methods.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, they both indicate that Australia had one of the largest stimulus packages, relative to its GDP.</p>
<p>If you run a regression of the IMF data (size of stimulus x GDP) the result yields a tiny r2, i.e. statistically insignicant.  Thus, on those figures, size of stimulus is irrelevant to projected economic growth. I should quickly add, however, that its probably too early to draw strong conclusions, yet I think it reasonable to be sceptical of claims that fiscal stimuli &#8216;work.&#8217;</p>
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