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		<title>By: 'Nuke' Gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA['Nuke' Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In &#039;The Australian&#039;, they mention that the Tasmanian ALP might be able to hang on to office. I wonder what that will mean, federally? Good for Rudd, or bad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8216;The Australian&#8217;, they mention that the Tasmanian ALP might be able to hang on to office. I wonder what that will mean, federally? Good for Rudd, or bad?</p>
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		<title>By: Semi Regular Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Semi Regular Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Term limits are great but their use may be problematic if we keep Parliamentary Government. 

Law and order typically makes a starring role, and the usual recriminations about soft sentencing does as well during State elections.

I actually just want fair judges, not Draco. Election through approval voting or; appointment by the Premier, approved by the Legislative Council but nominated by a supervisory body isn&#039;t a bad idea. This is or was LDP policy, or close to it...or it was once proposed for NSW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Term limits are great but their use may be problematic if we keep Parliamentary Government. </p>
<p>Law and order typically makes a starring role, and the usual recriminations about soft sentencing does as well during State elections.</p>
<p>I actually just want fair judges, not Draco. Election through approval voting or; appointment by the Premier, approved by the Legislative Council but nominated by a supervisory body isn&#8217;t a bad idea. This is or was LDP policy, or close to it&#8230;or it was once proposed for NSW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fleeced</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84304</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fleeced]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SLR - Speaking of high rates of incumbency - I should add that I also support term limits... of, shall we say, 12 years for parliament and 8 years for executive?  We really should try to eliminate the career politician.

Philip - excellent point about long terms (though this would be mitigated with term limits)... perhaps 4 year terms with half-elections every two years would be a decent compromise? (combined with voluntary voting, of course)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SLR &#8211; Speaking of high rates of incumbency &#8211; I should add that I also support term limits&#8230; of, shall we say, 12 years for parliament and 8 years for executive?  We really should try to eliminate the career politician.</p>
<p>Philip &#8211; excellent point about long terms (though this would be mitigated with term limits)&#8230; perhaps 4 year terms with half-elections every two years would be a decent compromise? (combined with voluntary voting, of course)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terje - Thanks for telling me that :) I&#039;d already thrown my hand up for some volunteer efforts they&#039;re putting in down here so we can shake off the image of layabout rich kids (of which I am neither, might I add :P), so it&#039;s good to know I can join and do all the social stuff as well ^_^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terje &#8211; Thanks for telling me that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;d already thrown my hand up for some volunteer efforts they&#8217;re putting in down here so we can shake off the image of layabout rich kids (of which I am neither, might I add <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ), so it&#8217;s good to know I can join and do all the social stuff as well ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Semi Regular Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Semi Regular Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree. They keep on introducing too much popular legislation in the US. I don&#039;t want them to react to the electorate. The US has a very high rate of incumbency. A initiative and referenda power to strike down bad laws may well be enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. They keep on introducing too much popular legislation in the US. I don&#8217;t want them to react to the electorate. The US has a very high rate of incumbency. A initiative and referenda power to strike down bad laws may well be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Lillingston</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84294</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Lillingston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was very telling of the Greens that Labor would rather be in opposition with no power, than be part of a coalition in power (even with more ministries) but have to share that power with the Greens.

&quot;four year terms; directly elected executive; proportional parliament; recall elections;a and while we’re at it – let’s add approval voting for judge&quot;

-a very good idea, except for the four years for the legislature. I think the Americans have it right with the two year bit. The shorter the term the more responsive the pollies are to the electorate. None of this &quot;introducing unpopular legislation&quot; and hoping the voters will forget about it by the end of the term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was very telling of the Greens that Labor would rather be in opposition with no power, than be part of a coalition in power (even with more ministries) but have to share that power with the Greens.</p>
<p>&#8220;four year terms; directly elected executive; proportional parliament; recall elections;a and while we’re at it – let’s add approval voting for judge&#8221;</p>
<p>-a very good idea, except for the four years for the legislature. I think the Americans have it right with the two year bit. The shorter the term the more responsive the pollies are to the electorate. None of this &#8220;introducing unpopular legislation&#8221; and hoping the voters will forget about it by the end of the term.</p>
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		<title>By: papachango</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[papachango]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you define socialist as explicitly wanting to overthrow capitalism, then the Greens aren&#039;t socialist. Though I suspect a few of their members wouldn&#039;t mind a Soviet-style revolution.

The Greens oficial position is to keep capitalism, but regulate the bejeesus out of it until it resembles something like socialism. In this regard they are definitely more &#039;socialist&#039; that, say, the French Parti Socialiste.

Fleeced - good point about imposing their own view of morality. While I agree with them on gay rights and drugs (to some extent), in this regard they are no different from Family First.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you define socialist as explicitly wanting to overthrow capitalism, then the Greens aren&#8217;t socialist. Though I suspect a few of their members wouldn&#8217;t mind a Soviet-style revolution.</p>
<p>The Greens oficial position is to keep capitalism, but regulate the bejeesus out of it until it resembles something like socialism. In this regard they are definitely more &#8216;socialist&#8217; that, say, the French Parti Socialiste.</p>
<p>Fleeced &#8211; good point about imposing their own view of morality. While I agree with them on gay rights and drugs (to some extent), in this regard they are no different from Family First.</p>
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		<title>By: Shem Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shem Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, Fleeced. But the majority of voters care about outcomes over ideology. The greens are &quot;gay friendly&quot;, so if you care about gay rights (because you&#039;re gay or have a close friend that is) it&#039;s the party you&#039;re going to support over the two majors.

The rise of the greens, especially amongst youth is because the social agendas of the major parties are out of touch with younger people.

As for the greens being radical, by libertarian standards they are. But they are hardly socialist. They are just rather strong social democrats. Similar governments have been elected in other countries and while I wouldn&#039;t say that it&#039;s helped their economies I also wouldn&#039;t say those countries aren&#039;t capitalist. The reality of government forces everyone to compromise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Fleeced. But the majority of voters care about outcomes over ideology. The greens are &#8220;gay friendly&#8221;, so if you care about gay rights (because you&#8217;re gay or have a close friend that is) it&#8217;s the party you&#8217;re going to support over the two majors.</p>
<p>The rise of the greens, especially amongst youth is because the social agendas of the major parties are out of touch with younger people.</p>
<p>As for the greens being radical, by libertarian standards they are. But they are hardly socialist. They are just rather strong social democrats. Similar governments have been elected in other countries and while I wouldn&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s helped their economies I also wouldn&#8217;t say those countries aren&#8217;t capitalist. The reality of government forces everyone to compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Fleeced</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84285</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Greens advocacy of rights is less about individual freedom, and more about imposing their own idea of morality.  Eg, they&#039;ll support gay rights (fair enough), but also support anti-vilification laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greens advocacy of rights is less about individual freedom, and more about imposing their own idea of morality.  Eg, they&#8217;ll support gay rights (fair enough), but also support anti-vilification laws.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Nuke' Gray</title>
		<link>http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2010/03/21/state-elections/#comment-84284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA['Nuke' Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, fleeced, but i disagree.
1) States should be bicameral. The lower house should be one big electorate of 100 seats, and they are given to parties to fill based on percentage of votes, ignoring fractions. (A vote of 50+1/2% becomes 50 seats your party can allocate as it likes.) Perhaps spare seats left over from those fractions could then be given to the biggest winners as extras.
2) The upper house should be composed of ambassadors from the counties and shires, appointed by the mayor of each local government.
3) I think we can minimise changes to the constitution by allowing the current governor-general to take over all duties of the royals, being called regent, and becoming an ombudsman, able to look into the affairs of any member of parliament. Thus the Regent is not just a figurehead, or puppet of the current government. And if the Regent were elected at each general Federal election, you&#039;d be likely to get a Regent not of the same party as the government. Then the states could still appoint their governors, with the Regent confirming the appointment, as a perogative of the Australian Crown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, fleeced, but i disagree.<br />
1) States should be bicameral. The lower house should be one big electorate of 100 seats, and they are given to parties to fill based on percentage of votes, ignoring fractions. (A vote of 50+1/2% becomes 50 seats your party can allocate as it likes.) Perhaps spare seats left over from those fractions could then be given to the biggest winners as extras.<br />
2) The upper house should be composed of ambassadors from the counties and shires, appointed by the mayor of each local government.<br />
3) I think we can minimise changes to the constitution by allowing the current governor-general to take over all duties of the royals, being called regent, and becoming an ombudsman, able to look into the affairs of any member of parliament. Thus the Regent is not just a figurehead, or puppet of the current government. And if the Regent were elected at each general Federal election, you&#8217;d be likely to get a Regent not of the same party as the government. Then the states could still appoint their governors, with the Regent confirming the appointment, as a perogative of the Australian Crown.</p>
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